CCD Poll #1 – The Spectrum of Belief

October 31, 2008

Richard Dawkins proposed 7 milestones on the spectrum of belief. Which one describes you best?

1. Strong Theist. 100 percent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung, ‘I do not believe, I know‘.

2. Very high probability but short of 100 percent. De factor theist. ‘I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there’.

3. Higher than 50 percent but not very high. Technically agnostic but leaning towards theism. ‘I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God’.

4. Exactly 50 percent. Completely impartial agnostic. ‘God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable’.

5. Lower than 50 percent but not very low. Technically agnostic but leaning towards atheism. ‘I don’t know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.’

6. Very low probability, but short of zero. De facto atheist. ‘I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there’.

7. Strong atheist. ‘I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung “knows” there is one’.

Feel free to respond in the comment lines, but try to just give an ‘integer’ answer. For instance, I’d say I’m a 6.

CCD,

Ben


A Review of Christoph Cardinal Schonborn’s Templeton Response

October 31, 2008

As promised, I am going to review many of the answers provided by the Templeton Foundation experts. For my first review, I decided to take a look at Christoph Cardinal Schonborn’s response to the question, “Does science make belief in God obsolete?” His answer started with “No and yes”. His overall response shows a healthy appreciation for science, but he seems to posit God, without explanation and with a disregard for Occam’s Razor, several times. I also find it noteworthy that he only ‘side references’ the Bible (mentions a still small voice, at one point).

Schonborn is also the editor of the “The Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church”. The book description is as follows:

“Catholics’ hunger for the faith continues to grow. Pope Benedict XVI gives the Church the “food” that is seeks in the 598 questions and answers in the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. This 200-page volume offers a quick synopsis of the essential contents of the faith as promulgated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Like the 1992 Catechism, the Compendium has a four-part structure, and includes a section on common prayers and Catholic doctrinal formulas. Because of the question-and-answer format, catechetical leaders-parents, pastors, teachers, principals, and catechists-have a unique opportunity to dialogue with the faithful, and reinvigorate the Church’s ongoing mission of evangelization and catechesis. Individuals can come “to know the unfathomable riches of the salvific mystery of Jesus Christ” by reading, using, and memorizing parts of the Compendium of the Catechism. An essential tool for youth and young adults, the Compendium is the perfect companion to a youth or young adult’s Bible, spiritual reading, or textbook… “The sacred images, with their beauty, are also a proclamation of the Gospel and express the splendor of the Catholic truth,” explained Pope Benedict XVI.”

Just some food for thought, regarding his deep involvement with the Catholic Church, that we can keep in mind while reading his response.

Now on to my review:

“No, as a matter of reason and truth. The knowledge we have gained through modern science makes belief in an Intelligence behind the cosmos more reasonable than ever”.

First of all, God didn’t start out as this loving intelligence behind the universe, ok? Let’s be really sure to first say, “Man, religions sure did screw up the idea of ‘possible Gods’, didn’t they? Take the God many of us knew, growing up. This God smited people on a whim. He drowned whole armies. In fact, he was so vengeful, he drowned almost all of creation. The early Gods certainly reflective of the humans that populated a given area, and were absolutely hamstrung by their ignorance. That human sacrifice scene from ‘Apocolypto’ reflected the GOD construct in that society. Imagine not knowing what eclipses were? Imagine the year 3008. What are the “eclipses of 2008″?

Now we understand and more accurately see finer and finer causation. Does that mean that God is more likely? Well, no God WE KNOW OF?! Our Gods turns people into salt. Our Gods created Earth a couple thousand years ago. Our Gods needs almost constant ego-stroking. Our gods are small gods, not unlike the god that have long since gone extinct. The Catholic God, Archbishop, is a small god, and a historically cross pollinated one, at that (although I have to give Catholicism credit, they’ve avoided the literal Bible like the plague it is).

“Yes, as a matter of mood, sensibility, and sentiment. Not science itself but a reductive “scientific mentality” that often accompanies it, along with the power, control, comfort, and convenience provided by modern technology, has helped to push the concept of God into the hazy twilight of agnosticism.”

Notice the symbolism there. “Hazy twilight” – sounds scary! But what is he saying? The idea of God really isn’t doing very well, in the competitive marketplace of ideas? People are less dependent, psychologically, on pure ‘beliefs’ to get them through the day? What point is he making? Technology is evil?

“Superficially it may seem that the advances of science have made God obsolete by providing natural explanations for phenomena that were once thought to be the result of direct divine activity—the so-called “God of the gaps.” But this advance has been the completion of a program of purification from superstition begun thousands of years ago by Athens and Jerusalem, by a handful of Greek sages and by the people of Israel, who “de-divinized” Nature to a degree unparalleled in the ancient world. Summarizing an established tradition 750 years ago, St. Thomas Aquinas taught that the wise governor ordinarily governs by delegation to competent subordinates. In the case of Nature, God’s ordinary providence governs by means of the regularities (“laws”) built into the natures of created things.”

That last bit is interesting to me. Where is this information about Nature as God’s laws being enacted coming from again? Certainly not from the Bible, right? So since that wasn’t the original conception of God, then this info he is spouting is either information supposedly passed from God to the Pope (as a sort of editorial process. Think of the Pope as white-out), and then down to Schonborn (assistant to the Regional Editor), or this is just his own theory, right? How does his God not reflect the “god of the gaps”.

“Although the scientific program that gives rise to this mentality has been quite successful in explaining the material basis for holistic realities, and in allowing us to manipulate natural things to our advantage by altering the configuration of their parts, it fails to grasp the reality of natural things themselves.”

Oh. Well, that’s quite a claim! And the solution to our failure to ‘grasp the reality of natural things themselves’ is to just pick a conception of God and start ‘believing’ in it? I mean, all the physical sciences, and all of the brain science, cognitive psychology, philosophy of science, philosophy of mind, studies in consciousness, study of theology… these aren’t good enough attempts to grasp the reality of things? I think I’m seeing the “atheists just aren’t imaginative enough” assumption popping up here…

“The unlimited application of the “scientific mentality” is scientism, the philosophical claim that the scientific method and scientific explanations can grasp all of reality. For many, scientism is accompanied by agnosticism or atheism.”

Remember, being a ‘scientist’ (one who practices as though the philosophical claim of scientism holds water), may be only a descriptive word. Just like the word “atheist” is for so many folks. In doing their search for truth, their ruthless honesty with themselves about what input they can trust has led them to their descriptive stance.

“In terms of popular sentiment, however, scientism has not carried the day. Most people still intuitively cling to the notion that at least human nature and human experience are not reducible to what is scientifically knowable.”

Right. People are afraid of the study of consciousness. They don’t want to know too much about themselves. Cling is the key word.

“The increase in leisure and health brought about by our increasing mastery over Nature has not resulted, as the ancient sages supposed, in an increase in wisdom and the contemplation of the good, the true, and the beautiful. Instead, our technology-based leisure is more likely to result in quiet hedonism, consumerism, and mind-numbing mass entertainment.”

Just as others before him, this opinion displays his amazingly bleak outlook on the world and on the evolution of human morality & community building. The implicit fear of a possible ‘unknown reality’ that is exhibited in this short passage is really telling.

“While many still claim belief in God, the course of their lives reflects de facto agnosticism in which the “God hypothesis” is far from everyday experiences and priorities.”

And I thought agnosticism, especially in the face of fear, was admirable. :) Archbishop. Do you blame them for their de facto agnosticism? If so, why? The RELIGIOUS Gods are just not compelling enough! As the Archbishop of Vienna, you represent dogma that becomes less compelling each year, as humanity learns more and more in the fields of biology, physics, astronomy, the brain, history and childhood sexual abuse. If you want people to believe in God, you may have selected the wrong tool.

“In all our scientistic “knowledge” of the inner workings of things, and our technology-based comforts and distractions, there seems to be no place for the still, small voice of God. In that practical and existential sense, science and technology seem to have pushed belief in God toward obsolescence. Or have they?”

I still say that science and technology have NOT pushed the possibility of ‘some sort of God’ very significantly, but I would say that they have pushed the belief in traditional, religion-based Gods toward obsolescence through refuting actual, physical claims made via that God’s “chosen” religion.

“In our innermost being, we moderns remain unsatisfied. Sooner or later we face an existential crisis, and recognize in our lives something broken, disordered, in need of redemption. The fact that we can recognize disorder, brokenness, and sin means that they occur within a larger framework of order, beauty, and goodness, or else in principle we could not recognize them as such.”

I think it’s worth repeating that we don’t ‘recognize “disorder, brokenness and sin” in any way that is specifically tied to God. Humans do have great commonality in their morals, but those commonalities preceded religion, and have evolved DESPITE religion. Also, it seems that Christoph is implying God, due to our awareness of positive and negative input. In my opinion, this awareness in no way directly implies God (especially a Theistic god). Of course not.

“…the human soul, but its nature seeks something more, a deeper happiness, a lasting good.”

The use of the word soul, followed by a description of said soul, in this context, must be metaphorical or dogmatic. No?

“Consideration of the order and beauty in nature can lead us to a Something, the ‘god of the philosophers,’ but consideration of our incompleteness leads us beyond, in search of a Someone who is the Good of us all. Science will never make that quest obsolete.”

How is the consideration of our state of completeness outside the order and beauty in Nature? You can’t talk about conscious reflection as if it’s DEFINITELY a “spiritual” process. Unknown? Sure! But necessarily spiritual? Occam’s Razor much? We see consideration happening, in a physical way, in the brain, as a person reflects, and the way we see those processes in the brain is getting more acutely tuned every day. Why should we assert another ‘reality’, before really digging into how we process this one? Science is just scratching the surface of these questions, just getting into some of the brain, which is at the CORE of our biggest question. No, science cannot keep you from looking. Why would it want to make the quest for answers to ANY question, obsolete? That would be unscientific.

In my opinion, the ‘quest to find out’, is honestly not the face of belief. Not even close.

CCD,

Ben


God is on Google

October 29, 2008

On October 16th, I was inspired by a brilliant friend of mine to go onto Google and look at the search results for variations on the sentence “God Is ___.” I decided to also include “___ is God” as well, among other random search terms. I think it’s really interesting to see what ‘phrases’ are floating around in cyberspace, and in what numbers. Here are the results:

God is love 1,430,000
God is dead 720,000
God is loving 48,300
God is Jesus 140,000
God is the truth 275,000
God is gay 27,800
God is straight 4,770
God is gone 662,000
God is in heaven 287,000
God is in hell 79,000
God is in trouble 13,700
God is stupid 34,900
God is brilliant 137
God is smart 18,200
God is gentle 4,130
God is kind 28,900
God is Zeus 1,240
God is groovy 5,190
God is true 388,000
God is false 56,100
God is the enemy 14,500
God is cruel 25,000
God is evil 143,000
God is good 1,630,000
God is important 149,000
God is the devil 90,500
God is money 18,000
God is omnipotent 98,700
God is omniscient 55,400
God is omnipresent 55,700
God unknowable 22,200
God is holy 209,000
God is real 337,000
God is crazy 4,590
God is nothing 401,000
God is me 13,000
God is a lie 34,600
God is the truth 119,000
God is my friend 714,000
God is the best 713,000
God is awesome 323,000
God is everywhere 267,000
God is no where 97,500

And now the “____ is God” findings:

Allah is God 29,600
Jesus is God 18,400,000
the holy spirit is God 140,000
God is God309,000
Lord is God 72,000
Obama is God 29,000
McCain is God 10,500
Bush is God 7,560
Palin is God 3,700
Biden is God 7 (poor Biden!)
Google is God 29,600
The Devil is God 4,750 (More hits for the Devil than Palin or Cheney. Is that a good thing?)
Clinton is God 7560
Cheney is God 2,410

Some other random searches I performed:

“I am God” 1,220,000
“You are God” 429,000
“We are God” 238,000
“God Loves Me” 266,000
“God Hates Me” 45,700
“God Loves You” 1,240,000
“God Hates You” 39,400
“God Kills” 175,000
“God Gives Life” 20,500
“God is Life” 49,300
“God Lost” 82,100
“God Won” 346,000
“God Wins” 23,300
“God Loses” 8,920

I find all of these search results to be quite interesting. For now, I’ll just leave it at that. I’d love it if people would do searches of their own, and post them as comments.

Just be sure to put the term in quotes, ie “God is Love” or “Jesus is God”, then list the term, the search results, and the date you did the search on. I find it fun to do searches using opposite terms, and related terms.

Try it out! It’s a fun and there’s a sort of ‘instant gratification’ about Google searching.

CCD,

Ben


Catholic Preist Says Jesus Was Not God

October 29, 2008

Just a quick link to an article I thought was noteworthy, at least. I particularly like the part about the council of Nicea, near the end.

CCD,

Ben


NEW VIDEOS!!

October 29, 2008

Hello Everyone,

At the bottom of the right sidebar, there are 5 videos available. These videos will now be cycling at random, all the time. There are 50 or so videos on the cycle list now, and I’ll be adding more as we go along. There should be something new to watch each day you have time for a video, be it 5 minutes long or an hour. Some are science based, some are about atheism, and some are debates (which I highly recommend). Not all of the videos are specifically what I think, but there’s a lot of thought provoking material, so I think they’re all useful.

CCD,

Ben


Mormonism on Prop 8

October 27, 2008

Hello Everyone,

I found an interesting article and stat while reading Andrew Sullivan’s blog. Apparently Mormons from all accross the country are fundraising and recruiting volunteers to support the YES vote on Prop 8. His blog states that 77% of all funds donated to the YES vote come from Mormons. Check out this letter sent from the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Church leaders in California to be read to all congregations on 29 June 2008.

CCD,

Ben


Does Prayer Work?

October 27, 2008

From the New Church Connection publication regarding Science and Religion – “Here’s a good reason to pray for people when they are in need: it works. Consider this famous study about prayer for others done by Randy Byrd: In 1988, as a cardiologist at the UCSF Medical Center, his double blind study of 393 cardiac patients showed that those prayed for by Christian prayer groups used in the study were five times less likely to require antibiotics, three times less likely to develop pulmonary edema, and, compared with the control group, fewer prayed-for-patients died.”

I did some research and this is an old case, and one that was reported under some controversy regarding what was considered “medically valid scoring”. Thankfully, newer and more thorough research has been done. The largest study of third-party prayer ever, recently published by Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer group, suggests that such prayer is not effective in reducing complications following heart surgery. The study also found that, of the 1,802 patients, those who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse.

What do you think?

CCD,

Ben


Does Science make belief in God obsolete?

October 24, 2008

The John Templeton Foundation serves as a philanthropic catalyst for research on what scientists and philosophers call the Big Questions. Many view the Templeton Foundation to be a group of religious apologists posing as a science foundation. I think Richard Dawkins once said (and I paraphrase) that the Templeton Prize is usually given to a scientist who is willing to say lots of nice things about religion.

Regardless, the Templeton Foundation does some interesting work. Recently they asked some of the of the world’s leading scientists, atheists, theologians and professors to answer the Big Question: “Does science make belief in God obsolete?”

Answers (in parentheses) were offered by Steven Pinker (Yes, if by…), Christoph Cardinal Schonborn (No, and yes.), William D. Phillips (Absolutely not!), Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy (Not necessarily.), Mary Midgley (Of course not.), Robert Sapolsky (No.), Christopher Hitchens (No, but it should.), Keith Ward (No.), Victor Stenger (Yes.), Jerome Groopman (No, not at all.), Michael Shermer (It depends.), Kenneth Miller (Of course not.) and Stuart Kauffman (No, but only if…). If you’d like a copy of all the answers, in booklet form, you can order them by sending an email to bigquestions@templeton.org.

In the next few days, I’d like to review a couple of the answers, but not before answering it myself. Before I jump right in, I think it needs to be said that the question itself is a bit silly. There are infinite imaginable Gods, and anytime the supposed characteristics of one God (the God of a particular doctrine/religion) are shown to be of natural causes, a new God springs up in His place, claiming to be the programmer of that natural cause. The idea, to me, that all possible Gods could be made obsolete is ridiculous, unless we think we’ve filled ALL possible Gaps, which I don’t think we have (or will, necessarily).

That leads me to focus on the word ‘belief’. Does science make BELIEF in God obsolete? To believe in a God, I think God must be a fixed idea. I am, of course, discounting the Einsteinian god/Universe, to which he referred when he said, “I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” If ‘The Universe’ is an awe inspiring force, to you, and you need not dogmatically define it (without understanding it first), then good for you.

BELIEF is a funny word though, isn’t it? I take ‘belief’ to mean, “I strongly feel/think that X is true.” Sure, some might actually just mean that they hope X is true, or that they think it’s possible that X is true, but I think that in most cases belief is a “mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something” (thefreedictionary.com).

The difference between believing in some vague ‘first mover’, deistic, hands off type of God (which is just one razor’s width more unreasonable than The Universe god), and believing in a fixed, theistic, personal God due to a particular brand of dogma is huge (imagine a lifetime supply of Occam’s Razors). I approach the questions of God by saying to folks, “Well, define God, tell me where that definition came from, and then let’s talk about whether the belief in this God as part of the reality we see around us is reasonable, given everything we know about the natural world.”

While many of the responses I get from theists are more rationally grounded than others, I am still inclined to hold the opinion that religions are often just failed sciences (not a new opinion). Nearly without fail, religions make claims about the natural world (either explicitly or implicitly), and those claims amount to attempted scientific answers about the universe. They do not, in large part, make only spiritual claims about a supernatural world that is completely separate from the natural. Even most of the ’spiritual’ claims that are made, have natural implications that we can responsibly scrutinize.

My contention is that regardless of the feelings we have about whether we’ve had our beliefs confirmed through our necessarily limited experience, I think we must keep our minds open to the VAST library of information that our best and brightest observers have provided for us. We must also remain cognizant of the possibility that we may simply be wrong. The scientific process is one that recognizes that our pursuit of objective truth only provides “temporary points of solid ground”, as Robert Sapolsky, an atheist, said in his response which began with “No.”

By assigning temporary status to our scientific truths, we keep ourselves as fundamentally honest as we possibly can. To do anything less than RELIGIOUSLY revisit our “solid ground” so as to make sure it is made of Rock, and not Sand (if you’ll allow me to get Biblical for a moment), would be a form of unacceptable arrogance, especially if said “solid ground” is being taught as Truth to vulnerable minds (all minds) without an accompanying Warning Label/qualifier. To accomplish this honest revisitation of our “solid ground”, we must seek out opposition. We must promote debate. We must expose ourselves to all the information, and educate ourselves as fully as possible, especially if we are in a position of leadership or influence.

In my experience, and evident in some of the Templeton responses, it seems that these humble, information hungry, temporary points of solid ground in science are often equated to the static, dogmatic faith that can be found in so many religious ideas, as if they are the same thing. Do I need to remind anyone that this is ridiculous? There is no torture in Science Hell for scientists who temporarily change their mind about a given hypothesis. Apostates in some Islamic countries are put to death due to their unwillingness to look at their beliefs as “temporarily solid ground”. Straw man? I honestly don’t think so. Sure it’s an extreme example, but the act itself isn’t really what I’m after. I’m after the process that allows for the act. The process of faith indoctrination. The act itself could be anything, really. Maybe the act could be something like teaching children that there IS, factually, a Hell, and if you break any of the factual cosmic rules, you could end up there. Just ‘instruction through cosmic fear’ is bad enough, to me, and that exists in just about all theistic dogma. It did in mine. The faith in religion is VASTLY different from the faith in the “temporary solid ground” of Science.

The scientific process promotes the most complex form of human honesty that we have devised, while religious faith promotes varying levels of unquestioning devotion to books that are inseparable, in most cases, from our formative education IN said books. An example of the dishonest, self-referential recommendations made by religions is Proverbs 3:5-6; “Trust God with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your path.”

True honesty must also be honest about the amount of influence a particular set of books has had in the formation of our conscious reality. And if we don’t know how to accurately determine this yet, then the “I don’t know, but my best guess is ____” qualifier comes in very handy, indeed, as a part of expressing our subjective experience. Far more handy than the circular “Trust this book whenever you doubt it” advice we receive in Proverbs, and so many other dogmatic quotations.

I am quite confident that many religious folks will say that their version of the truth is reasonable, and that their version of the truth DOES recommend rational thought, and that they ARE being totally honest.

Well, I do understand that there is a sliding scale in the level of ‘assumption checking’ a given religion recommends. What I don’t see, though, is the unbridled dedication to uncovering ALL the possibilities for how they could be wrong that I DO find in the competitive marketplace of ideas we call Science. At some point, the tenacity of the “assumption checking” decreases in Religion, in favor of a willingness to adoptstatic beliefs about the nature of good and evil.

Having said all that, my answer to the Big Question would be “No, though it seems philosophically absurd to me that science hasn’t made belief in most theistic Gods obsolete.”

This intro should serve as a reference as I review several of the Templeton responses in the coming days. I would LOVE it if other people would like to answer this question in the comment lines, or even via Guest Post. Have at it.

CCD,

Ben


New Videos Posted!

October 23, 2008

Hi Everyone,

I posted a few new videos. I’m just learning how to do some of this blogger stuff, so bear with me. The videos I have posted right now are pretty interesting in my view, so you might want to check them out. The two at the top are short (2-4 minutes) Sam Harris pieces, and the last two are an hour long each, and both videos are a roundtable discussion with The Four Horsemen. The middle video is one of my favorites, with Julia Sweeney, and is just the first 15 minutes of her Letting Go of God audio special.

Check ‘em out!

CCD,

Ben


THANK GOODNESS! – Video of Dan Dennett’s Paper about Gratitude

October 22, 2008

Recently, a person I love very much had to go under the knife for heart surgery (the surgery was successful – hooray!). As the procedure neared, I received a lot of emails and phone calls from folks who, quite generously, offered their thoughts and prayers. I found myself thinking, “Prayer, huh? Well, it can’t hurt!” But it also reminded me of this article by Daniel Dennett, the Director of the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University and author of “Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon”.

I think it’s definitly worth a read and I already put part of it in the comment lines of the latest Guest Post. Here it is, being read aloud in video format. Enjoy, and as always, comments are encouraged.

CCD,

Ben